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		<title>By: Berhane</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[17th-century academics like the German orientalist Hiob Ludolf demonstrated that there was no actual native connection between Prester John and the Ethiopian monarchs (Ludolf, Hiob (1681). Historia Aethiopica.)

While Ethiopia has been claimed for many years as the origin of the Prester John legend, most modern experts believe the legend was simply adapted to fit that nation in the same fashion it had been projected upon Wang Khan and Central Asia during the 13th century. Modern scholars find nothing about the Prester or his country in the early material that would make Ethiopia a more suitable identification than any place else, and furthermore, specialists in Ethiopian history have effectively demonstrated the story was not widely known there until well after European contact. When the Czech Franciscan Remedius Prutky asked Emperor Iyasu II about this identification in 1751, Prutky states the man was &quot;... astonished, and told me that the kings of Abyssinia had never been accustomed to call themselves by this name.&quot; (Arrowsmith-Brown, p. 115.)

When ambassadors from Emperor Zara Yaqob attended the Council of Florence in 1441, they were confused when council prelates insisted on referring to their monarch as Prester John. They tried to explain that nowhere in Zara Yaqob&#039;s list of regnal names did that title occur. However, their admonitions did little to stop Europeans from calling the King of Ethiopia Prester John. (Silverberg, p. 189.)

In a footnote to this passage, Richard Pankhurst opines that this is apparently the first recorded statement by an Ethiopian monarch about this tale, and they were likely unaware of the title until Prutky&#039;s inquiry. (Arrowsmith-Brown, p. 115 n 24.)

One more thing...Ethiopia was never considered &quot;India&quot;, it was considered one of the &quot;3 Indies&quot; because of European geographical ignorance. Simply because, after searching the REAL India for Prestor John, and not finding him, they assumed he had to be in Ethiopia, which was a powerful and historically Christian Kingdom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17th-century academics like the German orientalist Hiob Ludolf demonstrated that there was no actual native connection between Prester John and the Ethiopian monarchs (Ludolf, Hiob (1681). Historia Aethiopica.)</p>
<p>While Ethiopia has been claimed for many years as the origin of the Prester John legend, most modern experts believe the legend was simply adapted to fit that nation in the same fashion it had been projected upon Wang Khan and Central Asia during the 13th century. Modern scholars find nothing about the Prester or his country in the early material that would make Ethiopia a more suitable identification than any place else, and furthermore, specialists in Ethiopian history have effectively demonstrated the story was not widely known there until well after European contact. When the Czech Franciscan Remedius Prutky asked Emperor Iyasu II about this identification in 1751, Prutky states the man was &#8220;&#8230; astonished, and told me that the kings of Abyssinia had never been accustomed to call themselves by this name.&#8221; (Arrowsmith-Brown, p. 115.)</p>
<p>When ambassadors from Emperor Zara Yaqob attended the Council of Florence in 1441, they were confused when council prelates insisted on referring to their monarch as Prester John. They tried to explain that nowhere in Zara Yaqob&#8217;s list of regnal names did that title occur. However, their admonitions did little to stop Europeans from calling the King of Ethiopia Prester John. (Silverberg, p. 189.)</p>
<p>In a footnote to this passage, Richard Pankhurst opines that this is apparently the first recorded statement by an Ethiopian monarch about this tale, and they were likely unaware of the title until Prutky&#8217;s inquiry. (Arrowsmith-Brown, p. 115 n 24.)</p>
<p>One more thing&#8230;Ethiopia was never considered &#8220;India&#8221;, it was considered one of the &#8220;3 Indies&#8221; because of European geographical ignorance. Simply because, after searching the REAL India for Prestor John, and not finding him, they assumed he had to be in Ethiopia, which was a powerful and historically Christian Kingdom.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the comment made by Ayantu...I wish her ideas and questions are addressed.....I thank the professor and Ayantu again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the comment made by Ayantu&#8230;I wish her ideas and questions are addressed&#8230;..I thank the professor and Ayantu again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ras Al Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greetings Dr, Ayele,

I did a program in the early nineties at the Philadelphia Folk Art Center, The First Annual Rastafari/Ethiopian Symposium and I believe you were kind enough to present on Ethiopic writing systems.  I am hoping you are the same professor as I have been trying to get in touch with you ever since.  This is ras Al Turner, the organizer of the event.  Please reply and confirm at your convenience. 

Give Thanks,
Ras AL turner: ambassa777@yahoo.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Dr, Ayele,</p>
<p>I did a program in the early nineties at the Philadelphia Folk Art Center, The First Annual Rastafari/Ethiopian Symposium and I believe you were kind enough to present on Ethiopic writing systems.  I am hoping you are the same professor as I have been trying to get in touch with you ever since.  This is ras Al Turner, the organizer of the event.  Please reply and confirm at your convenience. </p>
<p>Give Thanks,<br />
Ras AL turner: <a href="mailto:ambassa777@yahoo.com">ambassa777@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mebrat</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this great information.  Please keep on and keep it coming!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this great information.  Please keep on and keep it coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Ayele Bekerie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ayele Bekerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The respondents have raised critical questions and have made insightful interpretations and analysis of their own regarding medieval Ethiopia.  The article was not intended to answer all the questions of the periods.  It was an introductory essay with a modest objective of addressing few basic questions.

With regard to the architectural genesis of the Lalibela churches, it is important to note that the tradition rock-hewn churches began in Tigray.  The presence of hundreds of rock-hewn churches in Tigray. some older than the lalibela churches, certainly testify to my assertion that the architects were Ethiopians.  Second, recent archaeological work by David Phillipson and his team in Lalibela resulted with an earlier date.  Phillipson dated at least Bete Gebriel and Bete Merqorewos to the seventh century CE, much earlier than the time of the Templars.

Ethiopian historians, such as Sergew Hable-Selassie, Merid Wolde Aregay, Tadesse Tamrat, Getachew Haile have made extensive research and publication on medieval Ethiopia.  Their works are extremely valubale with regard to the history the Zagwe Dynasty and the Shoand Dynasty.

As Kokeb suggested, there are also primary sources, such as Royal Chronicles, Fetha Negest, Kebra Negest, Synaxarium and other valubale manuscripts where some of them were published as early as the thirteenth century CE.

Abram is raising an important point.  That is our modernity or what he called Ethiopian renaissance may have begun during these periods.  Actually, as Professor Tekeste Negash suggested, the myth of Makeda (tradition of continuity) and the offering of a sanctuary to the followers of the Prophet Mohammed by Aksumites in the sventh century CE (tradition of tolerance) were significant markers or starters of our renaissance.  This what our history teaches us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The respondents have raised critical questions and have made insightful interpretations and analysis of their own regarding medieval Ethiopia.  The article was not intended to answer all the questions of the periods.  It was an introductory essay with a modest objective of addressing few basic questions.</p>
<p>With regard to the architectural genesis of the Lalibela churches, it is important to note that the tradition rock-hewn churches began in Tigray.  The presence of hundreds of rock-hewn churches in Tigray. some older than the lalibela churches, certainly testify to my assertion that the architects were Ethiopians.  Second, recent archaeological work by David Phillipson and his team in Lalibela resulted with an earlier date.  Phillipson dated at least Bete Gebriel and Bete Merqorewos to the seventh century CE, much earlier than the time of the Templars.</p>
<p>Ethiopian historians, such as Sergew Hable-Selassie, Merid Wolde Aregay, Tadesse Tamrat, Getachew Haile have made extensive research and publication on medieval Ethiopia.  Their works are extremely valubale with regard to the history the Zagwe Dynasty and the Shoand Dynasty.</p>
<p>As Kokeb suggested, there are also primary sources, such as Royal Chronicles, Fetha Negest, Kebra Negest, Synaxarium and other valubale manuscripts where some of them were published as early as the thirteenth century CE.</p>
<p>Abram is raising an important point.  That is our modernity or what he called Ethiopian renaissance may have begun during these periods.  Actually, as Professor Tekeste Negash suggested, the myth of Makeda (tradition of continuity) and the offering of a sanctuary to the followers of the Prophet Mohammed by Aksumites in the sventh century CE (tradition of tolerance) were significant markers or starters of our renaissance.  This what our history teaches us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mesfin Araya</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mesfin Araya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting discussion! 

The Spanish inquisition can be interpreted in many ways. Some scholars have argued that the inquisition was a necessary policy (from an administrative perspective) developed by Spain&#039;s royal family as a solution to exert more control over their religiously diverse society. It was an ecclesiastical tribunal that exercised authority only over baptized Christians, and mostly to ensure the orthodoxy of recent converts such as Jews, Muslims, Moors (mix of Africans and Arabs) and others. But, yes, I agree with Dibaba that the objective of the inquisition itself was offensive. According to Wiki: &lt;em&gt;quoniam punitio non refertur primo &amp; per se in correctionem &amp; bonum eius qui punitur, sed in bonum publicum ut alij terreantur, &amp; a malis committendis avocentur.&lt;/em&gt; (Translation from the Latin: &quot;... for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit.&quot;) Yaaak.

But for me personally the most interesting is the possible relationship between one of the Medieval Ethiopian Emperors and the 1307 inquisition in France, where members of the secretive &quot;Knights Templar&quot; or the &quot;Order of the Temple of Solomon&quot; were arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and then burned at the stake. Wiki says, &quot;The Knights Templar were a monastic military order, which would later become extraordinarily powerful and wealthy, were founded in Jerusalem in 1118 C.E., whose mission was to protect Christian pilgrims during the Crusades.&quot;

Remember that Lalibela, the Ethiopian King who built the rock-hewn Lalibela churches, which is now recognized as a UNESCO world heritage sight, was in exile in Jersulaem at the time and lived there for almost a decade.  Is it not possible (Professor Ayele can help here) that Lalibela might possibly have befriended members of the Kingit Templars?  Is it not also possible, as some have suggested, that members of the secret order might have traveled with him to Ethiopia to help him reclaim his throne and perhaps assisted in the building of the churches as well? In fact, the Kinght Templars distinctive red cross are found as part of the Churches&#039; art work. 

But later, there mush have been a falling out between the Ethiopian Emperor and the Europeans because they seem to have suddenly disappeared.  Interestingly enough, Honckok mentions a secret Ethiopian delegation of about 30, who traveled to Europe in 1307 to meet with Pope Clement and deliver a secret message.  Incidentally, few weeks after the Ethiopians met with the Pop,  King Philip of France ( who already felt threatened by the power of the secret organization and in a hurry to claim their riches) in coordination with Pope Clement, secretly ordered the mass arrest of all the Knights Templar in France. 

Just a thought...something to research further.
&lt;em&gt;
Selam  lehulachu yihun&lt;/em&gt;

Mesfin, Boston]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion! </p>
<p>The Spanish inquisition can be interpreted in many ways. Some scholars have argued that the inquisition was a necessary policy (from an administrative perspective) developed by Spain&#8217;s royal family as a solution to exert more control over their religiously diverse society. It was an ecclesiastical tribunal that exercised authority only over baptized Christians, and mostly to ensure the orthodoxy of recent converts such as Jews, Muslims, Moors (mix of Africans and Arabs) and others. But, yes, I agree with Dibaba that the objective of the inquisition itself was offensive. According to Wiki: <em>quoniam punitio non refertur primo &amp; per se in correctionem &amp; bonum eius qui punitur, sed in bonum publicum ut alij terreantur, &amp; a malis committendis avocentur.</em> (Translation from the Latin: &#8220;&#8230; for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit.&#8221;) Yaaak.</p>
<p>But for me personally the most interesting is the possible relationship between one of the Medieval Ethiopian Emperors and the 1307 inquisition in France, where members of the secretive &#8220;Knights Templar&#8221; or the &#8220;Order of the Temple of Solomon&#8221; were arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and then burned at the stake. Wiki says, &#8220;The Knights Templar were a monastic military order, which would later become extraordinarily powerful and wealthy, were founded in Jerusalem in 1118 C.E., whose mission was to protect Christian pilgrims during the Crusades.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember that Lalibela, the Ethiopian King who built the rock-hewn Lalibela churches, which is now recognized as a UNESCO world heritage sight, was in exile in Jersulaem at the time and lived there for almost a decade.  Is it not possible (Professor Ayele can help here) that Lalibela might possibly have befriended members of the Kingit Templars?  Is it not also possible, as some have suggested, that members of the secret order might have traveled with him to Ethiopia to help him reclaim his throne and perhaps assisted in the building of the churches as well? In fact, the Kinght Templars distinctive red cross are found as part of the Churches&#8217; art work. </p>
<p>But later, there mush have been a falling out between the Ethiopian Emperor and the Europeans because they seem to have suddenly disappeared.  Interestingly enough, Honckok mentions a secret Ethiopian delegation of about 30, who traveled to Europe in 1307 to meet with Pope Clement and deliver a secret message.  Incidentally, few weeks after the Ethiopians met with the Pop,  King Philip of France ( who already felt threatened by the power of the secret organization and in a hurry to claim their riches) in coordination with Pope Clement, secretly ordered the mass arrest of all the Knights Templar in France. </p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230;something to research further.<br />
<em><br />
Selam  lehulachu yihun</em></p>
<p>Mesfin, Boston</p>
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		<title>By: Dibaba</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moderator,

Thanks for clarification. I believe [and wanted to point out} the &#039;..Spanish Inquisition..&#039; comment {made by Abram} is offensive and {irrelevant to this article}.

Keep up the good work and wish you more success!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderator,</p>
<p>Thanks for clarification. I believe [and wanted to point out} the &#8216;..Spanish Inquisition..&#8217; comment {made by Abram} is offensive and {irrelevant to this article}.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work and wish you more success!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kokeb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thank you professor Ayele for this informative article. I am writing to suggest additional sources about King Galawdewos (r.1540-1559).  I suggest two contemporary and reliable sources for you to read about this king: Zena Galawdewos (which is now translated into Amharic and published) and the royal chronicle of Galawdewos which was edited and published a long time ago. Furthermore, the best secondary sources on Galawdewos are Abir&#039;s, Ethiopia and the Red Sea and the late Professor Merid Wolde-Aregay&#039;s seminal PhD dissertation. I hope you will look into this soon, in light of your response about Galawdewos.

Thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you professor Ayele for this informative article. I am writing to suggest additional sources about King Galawdewos (r.1540-1559).  I suggest two contemporary and reliable sources for you to read about this king: Zena Galawdewos (which is now translated into Amharic and published) and the royal chronicle of Galawdewos which was edited and published a long time ago. Furthermore, the best secondary sources on Galawdewos are Abir&#8217;s, Ethiopia and the Red Sea and the late Professor Merid Wolde-Aregay&#8217;s seminal PhD dissertation. I hope you will look into this soon, in light of your response about Galawdewos.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ayantu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a point to make on the Oromo concept of Gudficha. But first, I must point out that Hatse Zer’a Ya’qob was by far the most progressive Atse (Emperor) and I would add the most feminist of all. It is said that female members of his family held positions of authority and influence during his administration. It would be equally empowering to learn about women leaders of ancient Ethiopia, and for that matter, Africa as well. Over all, I also  enjoyed the article and learned something new. However, I must also point out without being too disagreeable that the concept of Gudficha may have helped Oromos to forge easy relations with other ethnic groups, but it is also an unquestionable fact that the North have always used a mix of violence and religion (from the time of Atses to present - more violence today) to keep Oromos Ethiopian and Christian.  There is even a joke where a Ques (priest) from the North was once trying to evangelize an Oromo guy and explaining the rules of not eating meat and dairy on such and such days and occasions.  Of course to the Oromo guy (who is neither Muslim nor Christian), the Ques sounded totally crazy, so he politely requested to the stunned Ques to bless his entire cattle so that he does not have to worry about which milk to drink when and which meat not eat on what occasion:-) The moral of the story: I am sure life was much simpler before the Atses came South. Perhaps in 2009, instead of fire power, sincere brotherly and sisterly incentives may be the answer.

My questions is who was the true author of the letters that were being sent to kings and Queens in Europe  as being signed by Prestor John?  Which Atse (Emperor) fits the time line or the profile that Honcock was referring to in his book?  And what was the motive behind the letters?  If such a letter indeed existed? 

Anyways, I am Hopeful,
Ayantu, MN]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a point to make on the Oromo concept of Gudficha. But first, I must point out that Hatse Zer’a Ya’qob was by far the most progressive Atse (Emperor) and I would add the most feminist of all. It is said that female members of his family held positions of authority and influence during his administration. It would be equally empowering to learn about women leaders of ancient Ethiopia, and for that matter, Africa as well. Over all, I also  enjoyed the article and learned something new. However, I must also point out without being too disagreeable that the concept of Gudficha may have helped Oromos to forge easy relations with other ethnic groups, but it is also an unquestionable fact that the North have always used a mix of violence and religion (from the time of Atses to present &#8211; more violence today) to keep Oromos Ethiopian and Christian.  There is even a joke where a Ques (priest) from the North was once trying to evangelize an Oromo guy and explaining the rules of not eating meat and dairy on such and such days and occasions.  Of course to the Oromo guy (who is neither Muslim nor Christian), the Ques sounded totally crazy, so he politely requested to the stunned Ques to bless his entire cattle so that he does not have to worry about which milk to drink when and which meat not eat on what occasion:-) The moral of the story: I am sure life was much simpler before the Atses came South. Perhaps in 2009, instead of fire power, sincere brotherly and sisterly incentives may be the answer.</p>
<p>My questions is who was the true author of the letters that were being sent to kings and Queens in Europe  as being signed by Prestor John?  Which Atse (Emperor) fits the time line or the profile that Honcock was referring to in his book?  And what was the motive behind the letters?  If such a letter indeed existed? </p>
<p>Anyways, I am Hopeful,<br />
Ayantu, MN</p>
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		<title>By: Dibaba</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moderator, 

Just wondering, how come different ideas are not entertained here?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderator, </p>
<p>Just wondering, how come different ideas are not entertained here?</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy T</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tommy T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Dr. Ayele, Tadias and all for your kind words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr. Ayele, Tadias and all for your kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love it. Educational and, as some one mentioned, very valuable information.  Thank you to the author,  Tadias and hats off to Tommy T. As to the mention of the word &quot;evangelizing&quot;, I am glad it did not happen. Ethiopia has been home to the major Abrhamic religions: Christianity, Judaism and Islam. And it is through this type of information that we honor our forebears who handed down to us the unique ancient Ethiopian experience and tradition of religious tolerance, a concept even the west is still grappling with. That&#039;s something to celebrate.

&lt;em&gt;Ke akbirot gar&lt;/em&gt;

Danny
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it. Educational and, as some one mentioned, very valuable information.  Thank you to the author,  Tadias and hats off to Tommy T. As to the mention of the word &#8220;evangelizing&#8221;, I am glad it did not happen. Ethiopia has been home to the major Abrhamic religions: Christianity, Judaism and Islam. And it is through this type of information that we honor our forebears who handed down to us the unique ancient Ethiopian experience and tradition of religious tolerance, a concept even the west is still grappling with. That&#8217;s something to celebrate.</p>
<p><em>Ke akbirot gar</em></p>
<p>Danny</p>
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		<title>By: Abram</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Professor Ayele for this fascinating story. You have brought to our attention, arguably, the most crucial timeline of Ethiopian Renaissance. The timing of the relationship between our Kings and the Iberian ones deserves a particular attention. The contact was held 30 years before the beginning of the Spanish Inquisition. Why is it that the Atses did not take similar measurements to evangelize the Muslim population then?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Professor Ayele for this fascinating story. You have brought to our attention, arguably, the most crucial timeline of Ethiopian Renaissance. The timing of the relationship between our Kings and the Iberian ones deserves a particular attention. The contact was held 30 years before the beginning of the Spanish Inquisition. Why is it that the Atses did not take similar measurements to evangelize the Muslim population then?  </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hailu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Hailu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Professor Ayele Bekerie, Tadias, and Tommy T. You all deserve credit for sharing this invaluable information of our long, long history.  I find the Zagwe Dynasty to be the most ambitious, creative and artistically erudite leaders. Just look at the spellbinding architecture of the Lalibela churches they left behind.   I am glad that the churches have been declared a UNESCO world heritage site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Professor Ayele Bekerie, Tadias, and Tommy T. You all deserve credit for sharing this invaluable information of our long, long history.  I find the Zagwe Dynasty to be the most ambitious, creative and artistically erudite leaders. Just look at the spellbinding architecture of the Lalibela churches they left behind.   I am glad that the churches have been declared a UNESCO world heritage site.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayele Bekerie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ayele Bekerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Meqdelawit and Jim,

I appreciate your probing questions.  Let me use the case of Hatse Gelawedwos (1540 - 1559) in order to address some of the questions you raised in conjunction with my article, which should be seen as an inroduction and an outline history of the two periods.  Hatse Gelawedwos was victorious against Imam Ahmed ibn Ibrahim (Gragn Ahmed), but he was killed at the battlefield figting against the brother of Imam Ahmed.

His death was attributed to a sin he committed while holding a divine power.  According to the great Ethiopian scholar Aleqa Mersea Hazen Wolde Qirqos, Hatse Gelawedwos had a mistress whom he loved dearly.  The mistress was married to a priest.  She begged him not to go to the battle with Imam Ahmed&#039;s brother, for he was sinful and she was worried that he might get killed.  Against the wish of his mistress and defiant of his sin, he entered the battle and got killed.

The Hatses, as I pointed out, were divine rulers.  Their power is divine, absolute and herditary.  Unlike the Vatican Pope, they were also commanders of their armies.  They governed with moving capitals until Hatse Fasiladas (1632-1667) put a stop to them.  Imagine the impact of the moving government on the peasantry that was obliged to feed the whole armada.  There you find the roots of the problem with the persistent food insecurity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Meqdelawit and Jim,</p>
<p>I appreciate your probing questions.  Let me use the case of Hatse Gelawedwos (1540 &#8211; 1559) in order to address some of the questions you raised in conjunction with my article, which should be seen as an inroduction and an outline history of the two periods.  Hatse Gelawedwos was victorious against Imam Ahmed ibn Ibrahim (Gragn Ahmed), but he was killed at the battlefield figting against the brother of Imam Ahmed.</p>
<p>His death was attributed to a sin he committed while holding a divine power.  According to the great Ethiopian scholar Aleqa Mersea Hazen Wolde Qirqos, Hatse Gelawedwos had a mistress whom he loved dearly.  The mistress was married to a priest.  She begged him not to go to the battle with Imam Ahmed&#8217;s brother, for he was sinful and she was worried that he might get killed.  Against the wish of his mistress and defiant of his sin, he entered the battle and got killed.</p>
<p>The Hatses, as I pointed out, were divine rulers.  Their power is divine, absolute and herditary.  Unlike the Vatican Pope, they were also commanders of their armies.  They governed with moving capitals until Hatse Fasiladas (1632-1667) put a stop to them.  Imagine the impact of the moving government on the peasantry that was obliged to feed the whole armada.  There you find the roots of the problem with the persistent food insecurity.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any mention of Hatse Gelawdios?]]></description>
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		<title>By: Meqdelawit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meqdelawit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Dr. Ayele,

Who is Preston John? Thank you for answering and thank you for digging deep. Quick question: What I find most fascinating is the spiritual devotion of these Emperors. Were the Atses schooled by the church as requirement or was their power hereditary? I am trying to understand how they draw or justify the divine or ecclesiastical aspect of their authority and how it is separated from their civic duties?  In other words, were they like  the Vatican Pope? 

Thank you.
P.S. Two thumbs up to Tommy T. for both his new album and for inspiring this research. Priceless!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Ayele,</p>
<p>Who is Preston John? Thank you for answering and thank you for digging deep. Quick question: What I find most fascinating is the spiritual devotion of these Emperors. Were the Atses schooled by the church as requirement or was their power hereditary? I am trying to understand how they draw or justify the divine or ecclesiastical aspect of their authority and how it is separated from their civic duties?  In other words, were they like  the Vatican Pope? </p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
P.S. Two thumbs up to Tommy T. for both his new album and for inspiring this research. Priceless!!!</p>
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